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About Twitter sharing, I had read that the most effective time to tweet is when members are most likely to see it. In the evenings when people get home, late morning when those at home are up and about, days when people generally stay at home near their computers, etc. With more mobile surfing though, some of those suggestions are moot, because people who have to spend time away from their PCs are surfing en route. I think this is great advice, but I can't practice it. I have to tweet whenever I can, and I do good to do any at all. So it's mish-mash, hodge-podge and here and there with me. Something better than nothing...[crazy]
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But when IS morning, I would imagine it is a different time for you than it is for me [biggrin]
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But when IS morning, I would imagine it is a different time for you than it is for me [biggrin]


I know![smile] We each have to do what makes sense to us, I guess depending on what side of the world we are trying to reach at any given time!

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Hi and sorry for not returning to this thread before now. My husband's health is not good and everything I do in a day revolves around him as my number one priority and it can change from hour to hour. Another reason why it can be difficult to be consistent on Twitter - LOL. Anyway, GREAT comments and I'd like to respond and will come back to do so later today. Just need to get things settled a bit here today first.
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Hi and sorry for not returning to this thread before now. My husband's health is not good and everything I do in a day revolves around him as my number one priority and it can change from hour to hour. Another reason why it can be difficult to be consistent on Twitter - LOL. Anyway, GREAT comments and I'd like to respond and will come back to do so later today. Just need to get things settled a bit here today first.


I do understand, since I help my 79yo mom. She's not an invalid, just elderly, and does most of her own care. Along with other things, such as managing my own life, it makes my schedule erratic. That is why I can commit to very little. See you when you get back![smile]

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I do understand, since I help my 79yo mom. She's not an invalid, just elderly, and does most of her own care. Along with other things, such as managing my own life, it makes my schedule erratic. That is why I can commit to very little. See you when you get back![smile]


LOL, I hear that! Hubs is so used to being active and handling so many things, it's been hard for him to let go and allow me to take over as those things start becoming too difficult for him. Glad your mom remains independent for the most part. It's difficult to watch a loved one struggle but we focus on the good times and are in the process of rearranging our lifestyle so we can travel and camp and go fishing. It's what he loves to do most of all and so we decided to make it our goal to enjoy every bit of life and have fun. When we asked his doctors if they thought this was a good idea, they were unanimously thrilled for us and said that absolutely it was a great idea as being happy and stress-free is the best thing for him. Hugs to your mom. I guess even at 79 she's still a mom wanting the best for her daughter. [smile]

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Thanks for sharing the article. When all of that is said and done though, how much tweeting/sharing really needs to be done for those figures to make a difference?

Good question and I sure don't have the answer. I just try to do it a few times a week and sometimes I do it in the morning and later in the day. I do see the views to the items I Tweet from my shop getting more views. If I don't tweet an item, the views are under 10 for a very long time. For items I've tweeted, the views go quickly up to a 100, 200, and one item is over 300. Again, this has not translated into sales but it is increasing the Google ranking for those items and that is my goal.

I recently did a search for one of my items with lots of views. It didn't show up in Google, but it did show up in Google Chrome and Firefox searches.

Setting up Google Analytics for our shops is, IMO, the only way to get metrics to determine the effectiveness of using Twitter.

That's what I'm evaluating regarding my time management. If I don't have time to do consistently massive tweeting, if that is required to realize a good return, then the little time that I do devote to it is potentially wasted, and maybe that time would be better used in some other type of marketing activity.

I completely agree. Doing massive tweeting or any other form of social media, is not something any of us have time to do. This is why I do it as described above. What other types of marketing activity do you think might be more effective?

I feel too that social media is important, and that some time should be devoted to using it. I try to reciprocate to those who share my posts, in addition to posting for myself and tweeting the work of new shops that I discover. Most of my limited time on social media is spent returning the favors, because that's important to me. When I go to Twitter, I go immediately to my Notifications. I go down the list, retweeting and sometimes outright thanking for sharing, and following new followers who would be a good fit.

The way to get followers and to encourage others to tweet our listings is certainly to retweet theirs and help them promote, as well. So, yes, I agree it is important to reciprocate. What I do feel is a waste of time is seeing those tweets that say something like thanks to XXX, and XXX, and XXX for being the top tweeters. Those silly tweets for some reason keep being retweeted and I personally feel they are a waste of time. IMO, the best way to thank someone for retweeting one of your items is to retweet one of theirs. So, I ignore those types of tweets. They just seem like a waste of time to me and of no real benefit to those tweeting and retweeting your items.

Twitter is not that great to me because sometimes the image from a listing shows, and sometimes it does not. If you don't go there and check after you tweet from another website, you don't know for sure if your image is showing. It takes extra time to do this. I tweet for my images to show, not just a link.

The way to have a large photo on Twitter is to set up the tweet from Twitter instead of tweeting the item from your ArtYah shop. If you tweet from your ArtYah shop, the image is tiny and quickly gets lost. To be noticed in the fast pace of Twitter, you need quality photos that are large.

I tweet from Twitter, write a brief blurb about the item using hash tags add the link from the item in my ArtYah shop, and pull the image I want to use from my computer hard drive.

Then, I pin that tweet to the top of my profile page. This tells those retweeting your items that this is the item you are promoting that day. Pinning an item to promote or if you are running a sale pinning an image about the sale is the best way to go.

All that being said, I hope ArtYah will correct how things appear on Twitter when they do the rebuild of this site. Etsy realized the importance of large photos and they remedied this problem with their listings. Furthermore, Etsy made it so clicking on a photo will bring you directly to that listing on Etsy so people don't have to hunt for the link or worry about the link being cut off and not functioning. Photos from tweeting directly off Etsy listings used to be small like it is currently from ArtYah. Since they changed it, anyone can tweet something from another person's shop and the photo is large and when clicked goes to that listing. If the item is sold, it takes you to Etsy search. This was very smart on Etsy's part to increase the click through rate to the site. Since ArtYah only has the small photo, tweeting items from this site is, IMO, not very effective for the seller or the venue. Twitter is too face-paced for small photos.


The ideal and most beneficial way to retweet is with an introduction to what/who you are sharing, but who has time to do that? I used to, but stopped because very few do that anymore.

I only do one of my items a day and I keep the intro very short because I want to be sure that the link to the item isn't cut off due to Twitter's short character limits. So, I'm only promoting one of my items a day. Well, not a day, it would be one item every day that I spend time on Twitter, which might only be three times a week.

Then I check my activity and be sure to retweet everyone that has tweeted my previous days item. I also screen those following me before I follow them back. Really doesn't take me that long and if one did this say 3 days a week, it's not much.

Facebook is annoying because the product images are always cut off when shared from a venue, and I doubt if visitors click on the image to open the full size. If most are not liking or re-sharing, why would they be opening up the post. The only way to insure that the complete image shows is to upload from the computer, then the image is not clickable, but the link has to be manually added in the post, requiring precious extra time. When I bother to post to FB and my image is cut off, I'm not attracting any interest, because often the product itself is indeterminate. 

Yeah, I think when FB changed their system, the good days were over. Too much control and too much data mining. I'm really not interested in FB as a social media option. 


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I can second your first sentece, I dislike Facebook, detest Pinterest (people pinning my photos there without my permission have, over the years cost me money as each photo should have been paid for and licenced, not freely copied but that is another story).  I also only use Twitter

Holy cow, Pinterest just ticks me off! I spent a very long time (several months) two years ago setting up an elaborate Pinterest page with tons of files from other Pinterest accounts and a few about items in my Etsy shop. What was repined? Hardly ever anything form my shop - just cutsie stuff having nothing to do with my business. Then when something was repined from my items it was in their DIY files. Really?

Also, when things are repined, I can never find a way back to the original pin. What's up with that? Maybe I'm missing something about Pinterest but honestly I think it does more damage than good and is for people who just want to build pretty scrapbooks.

Oh, and what really chaps my fanny about Pinterest is that we can remove our listings from our accounts but we can't remove the repins for that listing. Also, we have no control over others pinning our items from our shops and no way to remove those pins. I think there is a way to do it but it is very tedious and time consuming. Pinterest really needs to change it so that if the original pinner removes something, it is removed from the site entirely. I don't want my Etsy items repined anymore because I'm no longer on Etsy. They also need to make it easier to remove our items that other's pin if we don't want them represented that way.

Google search is FULL of Pinterest links whenever I try to search for something. Drives me nuts because you can view it but no way to get to the source. What's the point? It's good for Pinterest, not good for sellers. Maybe the thing to do is to print our domain names on all our photos. Then someone can type the domain name into their browser and locate us. Plus when we change venues, i.e., from Etsy to ArtYah, all we have to do is point the domain name to the new venue. (Note to self: Redirect domain name from Etsy to ArtYah, LOL.)

Anyway, if someone knows how to successfully do Pinterest to actually benefit our shops, I'm all ears. Like I said, I think its just one big online scrapbook.

This makes sense, Google can report on links followed, amount of time someone stays on a page and number of pages looked at I think so following links and then following again is probably a good idea

Again, if ArtYah will address this in the site rebuild to make the photos clickable from social media sites, our items and the ArtYah venue will benefit hugely with increased Google ranking. Increasing Google ranking is the only way to begin being competitive.




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About Twitter sharing, I had read that the most effective time to tweet is when members are most likely to see it. In the evenings when people get home, late morning when those at home are up and about, days when people generally stay at home near their computers, etc. With more mobile surfing though, some of those suggestions are moot, because people who have to spend time away from their PCs are surfing en route. I think this is great advice, but I can't practice it. I have to tweet whenever I can, and I do good to do any at all. So it's mish-mash, hodge-podge and here and there with me. Something better than nothing...[crazy]


I don't worry about it. Maybe I should, though [confused]

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The number of people tweeting and mentioning Artyah, seems to have dropped recently, most of the tweets and retweets appear to come from the ArtYahHandmade and ArtYahArt.  I have been looking at Alexa and they include bounce, engagement rates and how long visitors stay on the site ( I think you need the Alexa toolbar for your visits to be included)

Instead of just retweeting ad lib I think it would be of more benefit to us search engine ranking wise, to follow one of the links back to the shop and look around a few pages, maybe even in a different browser page so we appear to spend some time on the site and don't just bounce in and out.

I have been trying to remember to follow the link in, and then tweet something else from that shop or the site, even if we all did that once a day or every few days it would gradually build up, especially if we include the @twittername of the person whose shop we are tweeting as they would be bound to retweet.

Instead of using the direct Artyah link for my listings I have been using the Tweet option on twitter and putting 2 or 4 pictures up (all my images are watermarked) and then putting the link to the listing in the text, and, when I remember, adding my name and the Artyahs as people in the photo.  This makes for much bigger pictures - take a look at my twitter account, link below, to see what I mean.

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The number of people tweeting and mentioning Artyah, seems to have dropped recently, most of the tweets and retweets appear to come from the ArtYahHandmade and ArtYahArt.  I have been looking at Alexa and they include bounce, engagement rates and how long visitors stay on the site ( I think you need the Alexa toolbar for your visits to be included)

Instead of just retweeting ad lib I think it would be of more benefit to us search engine ranking wise, to follow one of the links back to the shop and look around a few pages, maybe even in a different browser page so we appear to spend some time on the site and don't just bounce in and out.

I have been trying to remember to follow the link in, and then tweet something else from that shop or the site, even if we all did that once a day or every few days it would gradually build up, especially if we include the @twittername of the person whose shop we are tweeting as they would be bound to retweet.

Instead of using the direct Artyah link for my listings I have been using the Tweet option on twitter and putting 2 or 4 pictures up (all my images are watermarked) and then putting the link to the listing in the text, and, when I remember, adding my name and the Artyahs as people in the photo.  This makes for much bigger pictures - take a look at my twitter account, link below, to see what I mean.


Thanks for sharing these ideas. I too like uploading pics to Twitter. they're bigger and are like a gallery. Very attractive.

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The number of people tweeting and mentioning Artyah, seems to have dropped recently, most of the tweets and retweets appear to come from the ArtYahHandmade and ArtYahArt.  I have been looking at Alexa and they include bounce, engagement rates and how long visitors stay on the site ( I think you need the Alexa toolbar for your visits to be included)

Instead of just retweeting ad lib I think it would be of more benefit to us search engine ranking wise, to follow one of the links back to the shop and look around a few pages, maybe even in a different browser page so we appear to spend some time on the site and don't just bounce in and out.

I have been trying to remember to follow the link in, and then tweet something else from that shop or the site, even if we all did that once a day or every few days it would gradually build up, especially if we include the @twittername of the person whose shop we are tweeting as they would be bound to retweet.

Instead of using the direct Artyah link for my listings I have been using the Tweet option on twitter and putting 2 or 4 pictures up (all my images are watermarked) and then putting the link to the listing in the text, and, when I remember, adding my name and the Artyahs as people in the photo.  This makes for much bigger pictures - take a look at my twitter account, link below, to see what I mean.


Did you read my responses to ArtsyCraftyStudio? While I was responding directly to the points she brought up, I had hoped that those interested in promoting ArtYah via Twitter would also read them.

Again, I think it is pointless to use ArtYah's Twitter click through to tweet on Twitter because the photos are too small and there is no way to click the photo and have it take you from Twitter to the listing on ArtYah. As stated, Etsy used to have this issue but they remedied it because they are aware of the ranking benefits to the Etsy venue. 

Also, if we tweet someone's ArtYah item, that person probably won't know anything about it unless they are actively using Twitter. Therefore, perhaps it would be best to set up an ArtYah Twitter team here in the forums where those active in Twitter can participate. This could be viable if enough sellers show interest. This time of year is probably not the best time to get this going and then most of us have other commitments that have to take priority - I know I do but do try to tweet a few times a week. Just tossing this out there. If it is set up so sellers don't have to devote too much time to it, it might work.

Anyway, I don't want to repeat myself and hoped that my responses to ArtsyCraftyStudio would be part of a general discussion.




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LOL, I hear that! Hubs is so used to being active and handling so many things, it's been hard for him to let go and allow me to take over as those things start becoming too difficult for him. Glad your mom remains independent for the most part. It's difficult to watch a loved one struggle but we focus on the good times and are in the process of rearranging our lifestyle so we can travel and camp and go fishing. It's what he loves to do most of all and so we decided to make it our goal to enjoy every bit of life and have fun. When we asked his doctors if they thought this was a good idea, they were unanimously thrilled for us and said that absolutely it was a great idea as being happy and stress-free is the best thing for him. Hugs to your mom. I guess even at 79 she's still a mom wanting the best for her daughter. [smile]


Wonderful plan that you and your husband have! Boy, do I like fishing, with bamboo pole and rod & reel. So happy that you both are being disciplined about rest and relaxation. Not easy in this world. I'm working on having 1 day per week when I rest more and don't do all of the work that I do each day. I'm slowly being successful. While I haven't gotten to the point where I'm doing no work, I do less intense work on that day, like writing. Continued success to you both!

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@thetinseledwhisker Yes, Pinterest is sort of a big online scrapbook, but I do love it there. I agree with all of the issues that you mention, but I still feel that it is beneficial. You statement about when you leave a venue that you don't want your old pins repinned, well I see it as additional promotion. That is why I always add my main home workshop name when I pin my stuff, no matter from which shop I pin. Artsy Craftery Studio is my main brand, it's me and the work that I do, no matter where I list or the name that I choose for a shop. When old pins make the circuit at Pinterest, that name is in those pins for users to remember one day.

They can click my #artsycrafterystudio and pull up all my stuff on Pinterest, the old defunct links AND the new good links. They can take that name and Google it, or Yahoo it. They can look for me on venues where they shop and list. I know it works because I've done it in seeking for a crafter/artist whose work I saw somewhere and loved it, but where the link was not valid. I know everyone wouldn't do that, but some do. That's one reason I keep using Pinterest. I have a little over 100 specialized boards. The images are large, gorgeous and intensely inspiring for me, and it is lighting quick to post, with a lot of space to write. As far as whether or not anyone there has the right to repin my images, well I want them to do that. I don't want anyone selling my work for their own, but I do want people posting my product images where ever they want. I don't worry about if they give me credit. They should but it doesn't always happen. I just look at it all as free promotion, and I believe that somewhere, somehow anyone who desires my work will find they way back to me from something that they saw somewhere that I didn't even post myself.

In response to your nice, long comments on my post, I agree with your ideas. It seems like the best way to go with sharing our own stuff at any venue, other than Pinterest, is to upload and manually add links. But to share others' work we still have to use the click-through from their shops. I've recently began doing what you said about pinning to the top at Twitter.


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Wonderful plan that you and your husband have! Boy, do I like fishing, with bamboo pole and rod & reel. So happy that you both are being disciplined about rest and relaxation. Not easy in this world. I'm working on having 1 day per week when I rest more and don't do all of the work that I do each day. I slowly being successful. While I haven't gotten to the point where I'm doing no work, I do less intense work on that day, like writing. Continued success to you both!


Thanks, Sandi. Glad to hear you are moving toward taking time for you and resting a bit. Here is to more profits and more leisure, LOL. That's probably an oxymoron, ha, ha. [rolleyes] ~ Tinsel

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