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Hi all,

I have been doing a lot of reading about how disgruntled the entire etsy community has become. A lot of people writing about how etsy will never be the same again.

ArtYah is committed to handmade only.

We have no shareholder. We are working hard to get a new build to have all of the great features that everyone has wanted.

We are working on a very, very tight budget.
Costs are the reason we cannot get the new build to move at a faster pace.

One way for us to grow a lot quicker is to have those one million or so disgruntled sellers sign up to ArtYah and use us as their new handmade home.

One thing is for sure... We have 2 new ads coming out in February on the back covers of "Where Women Create" and "Summerset Home." First off, these are publications of over 500,000. Secondly, people that buy these magazines pay $15.00 per quarterly issue. They want this magazine and they will not throw it away with the weekly newpapers, and daily magazines. These magazines are coffee table and stay there .

Even if we had a fraction of the million etsy sellers sign up. That would create so much capital for us to move very quickly.

1. We advertise
2. We would have more capital.
3. We would not waste the resources on frivolous things.

We are very serious about making ArtYah the next etsy. We want this more than anything. Not for the money. We want people that sell handmade to have a place that is truly handmade. No manufactures, no copyright, no illicit material.

Now, let's go out and grab those milliion sellers looking for their next handmade home.

Thanks for reading,

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It will be great when we do get a lot more sellers - a million though!  Are there really that many active sellers looking for a new home - we can hope so although maybe not all at once [biggrin]  Over a couple of weeks maybe

Handmade - would it be worth creating an ArtYah definition or guidelines of this, we know that etsy's definition is so wide it includes anything!

What would others definitions of handmade be on things such as crochet, sewing and knitwear, printing photos and art prints, jewellery making and all the other handmade crafts we pursue?

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Definition of Handmade...crafts made by hand by crafts people who have honed their skill(s). We all know there are many, many out there that PREFER handmade over mass produced...otherwise, why do I/we continue to put our product up for sale?

Eventually, etsy will have to decide to either re-dedicate themselves back to handmade or take the exit ramp to the mass produced like Walmart, etc..
Artyah could/will eventually get a jump start on the competition. They will be seen and heard and investors in those sites that have gone public will do a double take...and I believe we will see a lot of back peddling. Just my opinion.

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It will be great when we do get a lot more sellers - a million though!  Are there really that many active sellers looking for a new home - we can hope so although maybe not all at once [biggrin]  Over a couple of weeks maybe

Handmade - would it be worth creating an ArtYah definition or guidelines of this, we know that etsy's definition is so wide it includes anything!

What would others definitions of handmade be on things such as crochet, sewing and knitwear, printing photos and art prints, jewellery making and all the other handmade crafts we pursue?


Hi Christine,

Yes, at least two week :-) Anything less than two weeks and we would not be able to handle it...

I like the idea of creating a handmade definition, guideline of the various different handmade items.


Thanks for the idea and hope we can get a few people to chime in here.

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I just can't wait. This is what I am hoping since I joined Aryah.
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For a handmade definition, how about the artist has to actually make every single thing they sell? In other words, they can't paint a picture, take a photo, and send it out to have 100 greeting cards made. They would not have made the cards, just the original painting. Once the cards are made elsewhere in quantity, they become a manufactured product, Every single manufactured thing was designed by a person and might be assembled by hand, yet you wouldn't say an IBM computer or a plastic trash can was a hand crafted item. How about mass produced items all have to be made by the designer? I knit duplicate hats, but I personally hand knit each one on two needles, I do not write a pattern and send it out to be machine made. Etsy slipped over a slippery slope because they ignored their own original line in the sand.

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Lets not forget that Amazon Handmade is now a thing.  
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How handmade is everyone talking about? Raising the sheep, shearing the sheep, carding the wool, dyeing the wool, spinning the wool into yarn, knitting a hat with your own 2 hands? Or buying yarn from the craft store and knitting a hat? Or someone who raises the sheep - etc., then uses a machine to knit a hat? You can ask 10 different people the definition of handmade and you will get 10 different answers. Not everyone will ever agree with the answer.
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How handmade is everyone talking about? Raising the sheep, shearing the sheep, carding the wool, dyeing the wool, spinning the wool into yarn, knitting a hat with your own 2 hands? Or buying yarn from the craft store and knitting a hat? Or someone who raises the sheep - etc., then uses a machine to knit a hat? You can ask 10 different people the definition of handmade and you will get 10 different answers. Not everyone will ever agree with the answer.


I really love your analogy!

So just how handmade does an item have to be, to be considered handmade?

(IMHO) I think what handmade means to me is that someone thought of the idea. Put their heart, soul, blood , seat, tears into it and made their creation from whatever materials were needed for the job.

As long as an assembly line did not produce it.
That is my definition of what handmade is.

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Entirely agree Craig. The materials people use to create their items are just 'tools of the trade'. 
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So I know on etsy lots of people don't think hand assembled items are handmade. Like putting a pendant or charm on a premade chain. According to what you said above ' Put their heart, soul, blood , seat, tears into it and made their creation from whatever materials were needed for the job' this would be considered handmade as long as the seller assembled it with their own hands, correct? 

Since there are different skill levels when it comes to handmade items, that's where I think that people will disagree and I think that makes defining handmade difficult.

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So I know on etsy lots of people don't think hand assembled items are handmade. Like putting a pendant or charm on a premade chain. According to what you said above ' Put their heart, soul, blood , seat, tears into it and made their creation from whatever materials were needed for the job' this would be considered handmade as long as the seller assembled it with their own hands, correct? 

Since there are different skill levels when it comes to handmade items, that's where I think that people will disagree and I think that makes defining handmade difficult.


Yes, I agree that there are different skill levels. There are different skill levels in everything we do. I am not good at drawing a stick figure, but I can write a song on the piano.

If someone were to take an already made chain and put an already made pendant on it and call it handmade, now where is the value of it. Yes, it is handmade, but unless the pendant is made of a rare rock, stone, diamond it would really not be worth much. Like me trying to draw a stick figure and call it handmade art.

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Craig, That's handmade to some people though and has value to some people. That's how come I think it is difficult to define 'handmade'.


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Since there are different skill levels when it comes to handmade items, that's where I think that people will disagree and I think that makes defining handmade difficult.


And in the other thread there are things that are being said about what is not handmade that I don't think are fair at all to many crafters. https://artyah.discussion.community/post/what-is-your-definition-of-handmade-9616520?pid=1302917781

@Craig What you said about your stick figure not being of value means that you don't value it. If you don't value your work nobody else will. Stick figures are precious and loved for children's decor. I can create a piece of artwork starting with a stick figure that a new mother would love and value. I can put a twist on it and create something that a bride, groom or newly-engaged couple would love.

@Craig I don't agree that what makes a handmade pendant necklace is a diamond pendant versus a pendant of less value, when they both were made the very same way, by hands putting them together.

As I said in the other thread, being too restrictive is going to cut out a lot of artists and crafters. Artyah does not need that with trying to grow and build membership. It's your site and your right to make whatever stipulations you feel are necessary, but with the way that the discussions are going in the way of purifying the creative flow, it's going to offend many who are handmades sellers.


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And in the other thread there are things that are being said about what is not handmade that I don't think are fair at all to many crafters. https://artyah.discussion.community/post/what-is-your-definition-of-handmade-9616520?pid=1302917781

@Craig What you said about your stick figure not being of value means that you don't value it. If you don't value your work nobody else will. Stick figures are precious and loved for children's decor. I can create a piece of artwork starting with a stick figure that a new mother would love and value. I can put a twist on it and create something that a bride, groom or newly-engaged couple would love.

@Craig I don't agree that what makes a handmade pendant necklace is a diamond pendant versus a pendant of less value, when they both were made the very same way, by hands putting them together.

As I said in the other thread, being too restrictive is going to cut out a lot of artists and crafters. Artyah does not need that with trying to grow and build membership. It's your site and your right to make whatever stipulations you feel are necessary, but with the way that the discussions are going in the way of purifying the creative flow, it's going to offend many who are handmades sellers.



I honestly did not mean for that come off in any type of negative way. I was simply saying that froom my point of view of my artistic ability compared to someone that can draw extremely well. I do not have that kind of vision when it comes to art. Music on the other hand, I have that ability with and can write music (but it has been a while since I have played piano).

I think the pendant was also taken out of context. What I meant by that was that if someone bought a chain and put a pendant that was also manufactured. That can still be considered handmade, but how much of it was truly handmade.

I was and am not trying to offend anyone by any means at all. In my own defense, I was only offering the various ways that a person creates and what is truly handmade.

We do not have any handmade restrictions on anyone that wants to sell on ArtYah.

But if it is manufactured then that's another story for another time.

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