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You are quite a veteran, Barb. Sounds like you have been around the block a few times. I tried Artfire for a few months but their fees are quite steep now even with the simplest package. I have been selling online for about 3 years and Artyah is my second site. I like the concept of place for real handmade articles, like at a craft fair. People do not want to find mass production in an artisan's shop. 
I also agree with some of the comments above that a site needs serious investment money to get it up and running. I'm not sure if the people behind Artyah have the finances to withstand the long haul. Perhaps knowing they have dedicated sellers supporting them, will be an encouragement.

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Yes it would be a great time for Artyah to launch new updates. This seems to be taking an extra long time. On the other hand with Etsy changing things and adding features and a little bit of a fee hike, I think there will be plenty of new features to go along with the fee hike. I 100% stopped buying or selling on Ebay a couple of years ago. Eccomercebytes has Ebay issues daily on there. I am staying neutral with Etsy until I see what it will be for myself. There is too much negativity from people that is not helping them with sales. Etsy's forums are public anyone and everyone can read the stuff that is being put on there.
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I went to do that, but when it was required for me to add my address and phone# I declined.


It asked for my email and address, name but not my phone number. I don't see a problem with giving  info out. You can google a name, etc.  and find out all that info anyway. Even a map to your house.

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I started selling on Ebay in 2001. in 2006 I also started on Etsy. I also sold on an art site for quite a while. Did pretty good there too. I isn't around anymore. When Artfire started I joined over there and stayed quite a while there along with staying on Etsy. Left Artfire and stayed on just Etsy yp until July 2 years ago. That is when I joined ArtYah.  I am presently back n Artfire and will stay for a while until I see how it will do. Hopefully when ArtYah gets the new site up I will be able to leave the other 2 and concentrate on ArtYah.
If my things I am making now don't start selling at least enough to pay my expenses I will have to call it quits. Then I will go stir crazy because I a not the kind to just sit around so won't have anything to do if I have to give it up 


Don't say you'll go stir crazy. Just believe that a new avenue will develop, somehow. If you truly love making and selling, you can always find a way. There's always an answer. No, I don't know what it would be. I'm just saying that nothing can stop you from pursuing what you love. For me it's adapting and changing and having an eye to see new opportunities. I know you've been adapting and changing for some time, seeking more sales. That is good. I think that it's getting more critical everyday for sellers to also see beyond what the listing sites can offer us. We don't have to give up on them altogether, but it is becoming more obvious that we have to find additional ways to market and sell, if we want to stay afloat.

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It asked for my email and address, name but not my phone number. I don't see a problem with giving  info out. You can google a name, etc.  and find out all that info anyway. Even a map to your house.


Yep, I surf on Google Streetview often, and search the Net everyday, finding lots of surprising info. I shop more online than I do in person. Everything about me is probably splattered throughout the Web, because I've freely given it and because of cyber-theft. When it comes to me entering more info about myself into new websites and forms, however, I always (even now) think twice. Whether I proceed or not depends on how necessary I feel the action is at that moment. Sometimes I change my mind later, sometimes I don't.

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I tried Artfire for a few months but their fees are quite steep now even with the simplest package.
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The sad thing about Artfire is I remember back around when it had first launched. The owner was so excited to give the little handmades seller a chance to succeed. He was always harking back to the experience of his mother and how difficult she found it to succeed. He was determined to provide an easy way for others like her to overcome what he felt were unfair obstacles.

Back then, it was so easy to open a free AF shop. I opened an account, but did not open shop right away. When I did return to do that, there were expensive subscriptions required, or the accepting of a free shop for 5 or 10 products. I don't remember which it was, but I was not interested in that. When I went to look around later, the free shop had been discontinued altogether, and the subscriptions were just as high, if not higher.

I returned again and the free shops were reinstated for 5 products. Again, later I returned to see if I wanted to list 5 products and I could not find where to open a shop like that. I contacted admin and they told me that I could buy one of their available subscriptions. I don't have a problem with AF having subscriptions. I do think they are way too high for most makers, who are low-volume sellers. I think that John Jacobs lost track of his original mission, because the subscription prices are too high for his original target market, the little handmades seller, who struggled like his mom. Though some are doing well there, it is sad to me what his site has become. Virtually dead.

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But the question is always the same, where are the sales? 

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I believe they are out there in a different place than where we have been seeking them before, and that we have to seek them in a different way with a different frame of mind.

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I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.  Julie


In that case, I'd say you are leading the wrong horse.[idea]

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Ok, so I joined the eBlueJay market place. I think I was on it before. It show I have 303 items uploaded but how do I find them? I have searched and searched and cannot find a way to get to the items
Anyone know


I signed in, went to the lefthand sidebar, under SELLING I clicked INVENTORY MANAGER. Took me to a page of my 1 straggling listing. My shop is on vacation pending reevaluation of my direction. [smile]

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The sad thing about Artfire is I remember back around when it had first launched. The owner was so excited to give the little handmades seller a chance to succeed. He was always harking back to the experience of his mother and how difficult she found it to succeed. He was determined to provide an easy way for others like her to overcome what he felt were unfair obstacles.

Back then, it was so easy to open a free AF shop. I opened an account, but did not open shop right away. When I did return to do that, there were expensive subscriptions required, or the accepting of a free shop for 5 or 10 products. I don't remember which it was, but I was not interested in that. When I went to look around later, the free shop had been discontinued altogether, and the subscriptions were just as high, if not higher.

I returned again and the free shops were reinstated for 5 products. Again, later I returned to see if I wanted to list 5 products and I could not find where to open a shop like that. I contacted admin and they told me that I could buy one of their available subscriptions. I don't have a problem with AF having subscriptions. I do think they are way too high for most makers, who are low-volume sellers. I think that John Jacobs lost track of his original mission, because the subscription prices are too high for his original target market, the little handmades seller

who struggled like his mom. Though some are doing well there, it is sad to me what his site has become. Virtually dead.


They have a reasonable program. I am only paying $35.00 for 3 months and 5% final value fee but if I still have no sales when it gets close to time I will close up shop there




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They have a reasonable program. I am only paying $35.00 for 3 months and 5% final value fee but if I still have no sales when it gets close to time I will close up shop there





Yeah, it can be called reasonable, but $11.50+ a month on top of a FVF that Etsy is now rivaling, is beyond the budget of many handmades sellers. Even you are not willing to continue paying that without any sales. So without any sales, what is the subscription providing now anyway? AF is dead compared to how it used to be, and Jacobs is still requiring a subscription to sell there. And what good is it if to get what you really want in features requires upgrading to some type of premium package? The lower-priced pkgs are usually bare bones, or shall we call them cyber-rafters.

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I think part of the reason is that when the big E, the place where most felt was their hope for success, began to drastically change, it splintered the sellers. Some left and found other places to sell, some stayed, some left and came back, others left later, some left and never came back, some never had to leave, some have grown to do massively well at Etsy despite, some have been back and forth, some had to shutter their doors, and on and on. It was E's self-serving alterations that split the seller base, not the sellers themselves. At least it seems that way to me. When a seller is trying to grow and survive, and certainly under increasingly severe adverse conditions, it actually is every-man-for-himself. What I need to do to pay my bills and be happy may not be what you want to do, and what you do may not suit my needs nor fulfill my desires. When E was functioning as a fully-vested handmades venue, these diverging seller needs were not very distinct.



I sincerely hope AY delivers what we all have been expecting. However, when AY is compared to how Etsy began, I don't think a complete comparison is shared. Etsy was launched by 3 partners and joined by a 4th. Three years later a high-profile, NPR executive was brought on board as COO. Etsy had 4 individual investors in the beginning years, a venture capital firm and the experienced founders of Flickr and Delicious. The name Etsy was chosen because in Italian it means oh yes, and in Latin and French it means what if. Etsy was able to please its sellers, in the first year, by adding new features and capabilities that attracted attention, traffic and exposure

I do understand why some supporters consistently compare the two sites, but let's be real. To compare E's success with AY's struggles, and to place the responsibility for making AY a success on the sellers is neither accurate nor fair. Two years after launch when Etsy was not profitable, $27 million additional dollars were channeled into the company by the original venture firm and 2 additional individual investors. Etsy had quite an auspicious beginning. Without the early financial support of a venture capital firm and 6 investors, and the collective management and experience of 6 people, handmades sellers alone would not have been able to make Etsy the success that it is today.

Source: Wikipedia

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Wikipedia is not an academic source of info, but I've been reading the site for at least 15 yrs. The easy-to-comprehend facts that I find there have been enough for me to make my points.


Grant you that. Etsy and Artyah have different beginnings. ArtYah seems organic and authentic compared to a lot of the other options and that is why personally I’m really hoping it can take off.

Wasn’t so much comparing the two sites as the mood of and attitudes of artist today vs back then.

Someone in this thread hit the nail on the head. We have to sell differently than we used to. So much of online retail depends on ones social media presence. You can’t just set up shop, promote and use tools within the platform and get bussiness like we used to. We need to find whatever the social media it is that handmade buyers are using and be viable there and build the community. That’s where it gets wonky. Everybody is all over the place with so many social media tools. Personally I’m finding that most of my traffic comes from Pinterest, Facebook and Instagram.


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Grant you that. Etsy and Artyah have different beginnings. ArtYah seems organic and authentic compared to a lot of the other options and that is why personally I’m really hoping it can take off.

Wasn’t so much comparing the two sites as the mood of and attitudes of artist today vs back then.

Someone in this thread hit the nail on the head. We have to sell differently than we used to. So much of online retail depends on ones social media presence. You can’t just set up shop, promote and use tools within the platform and get bussiness like we used to. We need to find whatever the social media it is that handmade buyers are using and be viable there and build the community. That’s where it gets wonky. Everybody is all over the place with so many social media tools. Personally I’m finding that most of my traffic comes from Pinterest, Facebook and Instagram.



Twilight Faerie, I didn't mean it to sound like I was attacking you, and I hope I didn't come off like that. If so, I apologize. My comment was actually to address the statement that I've heard many times from different sellers, not from any one person. I just felt it was time to address the difference between E and AY with some facts that don't make it possible for AY to operate like E did and is. We can't make that happen, though we can and have been doing many positive things to support AY.

I agree with you that the mood and attitude of makers everywhere is the same. The spirit of wanting a beloved venue to remain dedicated to handmades and to succeed is something shared by us all.

I have to take credit for the statement, I believe they are out there in a different place than where we have been seeking them before, and that we have to seek them in a different way with a different frame of mind. As I continue to hear sellers bemoan the lack of sales, the only thought that runs through my head daily is things have changed and they're never going to be the same anymore.

I heard someone say that to do the same old thing you've always done in the same way you always did it, and expect something different is insanity. This is similar to using the same old marketing and selling techniques in today's handmades economy and expecting sales to pick up like they used to be. I think it's like beating a dead horse. You're never going to get what you're seeking. If anything, the horse will be more dead than it was before.

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We have to sell differently than we used to. So much of online retail depends on ones social media presence. You can’t just set up shop, promote and use tools within the platform and get bussiness like we used to. We need to find whatever the social media it is that handmade buyers are using and be viable there and build the community. That’s where it gets wonky. Everybody is all over the place with so many social media tools. Personally I’m finding that most of my traffic comes from Pinterest, Facebook and Instagram.



I'm loyal to Pinterest and am on there everyday throughout the day. I even sell a Pinterest pinning gig at Fiverr because I have a large # of followers.

I get good traffic at Instagram, but I've tapered off using it because don't want it to take over my life. It's so easy to use (and I try to share lifestyle stuff too, not just listings) that I can hardly have any experience during the day where I'm not whipping out my cellphone to share it. It takes time to format the shares, especially with as many ###s as possible.

I hate FB, but I'm still there with my 2 business pages. I'm ambivalent about sharing to them anymore since FB changed what's being shared in feeds. They don't favor the independent seller anymore, but mainly conversations now. They said this was the purpose of FB in the beginning. Too bad they encouraged sellers to launch business pages and coerced them to stop sharing selling posts on their profiles. If you think all of your connections are seeing your posts now, you should check into that.

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who is on Zibbet and do you have sales.

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who is on Zibbet and do you have sales.

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am on Zibbet but no sales since I started listing there again

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