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Isn't it up to each state now whether they will pass an online sales tax law? I'm not going to worry about it unless it happens in Colorado. Did anyone sign the petition to Congress that etsy has in the seller manager? It's in the  dashboard, right hand side, above the activity feed.


I went to do that, but when it was required for me to add my address and phone# I declined.

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It would be unfathomable to collect Itaxrs on every purchase for every state. I don’t make enough money to justify that much book work.
 


And THIS ^^^ is the plight of cottage industries/micro businesses. The U.S. is supposed to be a great place for free enterprise, but it has become more challenging over the decades. Anyone is supposed to be able to sell products and services using their skills and talents without having to be part of a corporation or conglomerate in order to comply and prosper.

In the same way that big-box industry has crushed most of the mom-pop businesses in our nation, laws have and still are being made that crush independent makers. The government's focus is on major industry, but the majority of society is made up of people like us. We need to be able to operate differently than major industry.

Skilled, creative persons have always and still are persisting in selling by finding ways to adapt. I know that as it gets harder to do so, some just give up. That's why the majority (and I don't have figures) of handmades sellers do so under the radar. Even if they are making a profit, they don't feel that they make enough to be burdened by government regulation as it is.

I saw a PBS documentary a few months ago about the whole world of under the radar commerce in the U.S., and how that is the only way that some people can survive.  

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I was going t do a shipping label on etsy yesterday and it  would not et me unless I gave my phone number. So I went to Pay Pal and did the shopping label. This morning I did a shipping label on Etsy and it did fine. Don't now what the difference was
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I was going t do a shipping label on etsy yesterday and it  would not et me unless I gave my phone number. So I went to Pay Pal and did the shopping label. This morning I did a shipping label on Etsy and it did fine. Don't now what the difference was


Congrats on the sales, Barb![smile] I always use Paypal shipping labels, because I'm so familiar with the layout.

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Ok, so I joined the eBlueJay market place. I think I was on it before. It show I have 303 items uploaded but how do I find them? I have searched and searched and cannot find a way to get to the items
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And THIS ^^^ is the plight of cottage industries/micro businesses. The U.S. is supposed to be a great place for free enterprise, but it has become more challenging over the decades. Anyone is supposed to be able to sell products and services using their skills and talents without having to be part of a corporation or conglomerate in order to comply and prosper.

In the same way that big-box industry has crushed most of the mom-pop businesses in our nation, laws have and still are being made that crush independent makers. The government's focus is on major industry, but the majority of society is made up of people like us. We need to be able to operate differently than major industry.

Skilled, creative persons have always and still are persisting in selling by finding ways to adapt. I know that as it gets harder to do so, some just give up. That's why the majority (and I don't have figures) of handmades sellers do so under the radar. Even if they are making a profit, they don't feel that they make enough to be burdened by government regulation as it is.

I saw a PBS documentary a few months ago about the whole world of under the radar commerce in the U.S., and how that is the only way that some people can survive.  


I completely agree. I have no qualms paying taxes and doing my share. However, when small businesses that don’t earn or have the same shelters and write offs and benefits like big corporations it seems wholly unfair for a tiny business to operate under the same tax expectations.
Love PBS by the way!

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I completely agree. I have no qualms paying taxes and doing my share. However, when small businesses that don’t earn or have the same shelters and write offs and benefits like big corporations it seems wholly unfair for a tiny business to operate under the same tax expectations.
Love PBS by the way!


I tried to find that PBS story but can't remember the title or the name of the host. He was proposing that non-traditional business models would or should become the way for the average person to do business. He interviewed many people doing business underground or under the radar, no illegal merchandise or services, but non-traditional illegal.

There are cottage industry laws still in effect in the U.S., but you don't hear much about them. Someone recently shared some of the precepts in some forum, group or other, but I can't remember where I saw the post.

Not a day goes by that I don't look for something on PBS. Love educational TV![smile]

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I tried to find that PBS story but can't remember the title or the name of the host. He was proposing that non-traditional business models would or should become the way for the average person to do business. He interviewed many people doing business underground or under the radar, no illegal merchandise or services, but non-traditional illegal.

There are cottage industry laws still in effect in the U.S., but you don't hear much about them. Someone recently shared some of the precepts in some forum, group or other, but I can't remember where I saw the post.

Not a day goes by that I don't look for something on PBS. Love educational TV![smile]


Hahaha! I always listen to PBS news or documentary programs while I paint or create.

What I find bothersome and saddening is that when eBay drove out the small sellers in favor of the Power Sellers back in 2007 the handmade and artist community went on strike and cost eBay upwards $2 million dollars. At that time a lot of the artist migrated to Etsy. It is what put Etsy on the map. We were maybe not as hungry and the economy hadn’t collapsed yet. However it was artist in mass migrating together to an unknown selling site with no traffic or advertising. We created what was a revolution in the economy, small independent bussiness owners making alternative income outside of the corporate structure.

The part I find saddening is that after all the changes Etsy made, allowing mass produced, going public, taking away tools that built community, ultimately the rise in FVF and fees on shipping, there doesn’t seem to be that same sense of community looking for a solution in mass, (at least among a lot of Etsy sellers). The attitude seems to be an “every man for themselves” attitude. Maybe we have more choices where to go, or how to sell, maybe the economy and political climate have made folks more cynical. I’m just not seeing that same spirit of solidarity that once was present among artist and makers.

I get it, it’s frustrating to spin ones wheels not making sales, worrying if ones efforts should be spent elsewhere that might get better exposure and generate customers faster. The alternatives are the soulless corporate sites of Amazon, Ebay or Etsy, which have high fees and corporate greed.

My point with this rant is that folks forget, we made Etsy. At some point the tables turned and it’s like Etsy began to own us. I can’t help but feel that it is up to us to make the next successful selling venue, the way we made Etsy. It will take numbers of artist migrating to the same place and collectively doing the work to promote, being patient but vigilant to make that happen. Personally I see great potential here on Artyah, low fees, authentic handmade, quick response from the owner and organic. These were all the things folks loved about Etsy.


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Hahaha! I always listen to PBS news or documentary programs while I paint or create.

What I find bothersome and saddening is that when eBay drove out the small sellers in favor of the Power Sellers back in 2007 the handmade and artist community went on strike and cost eBay upwards $2 million dollars. At that time a lot of the artist migrated to Etsy. It is what put Etsy on the map. We were maybe not as hungry and the economy hadn’t collapsed yet. However it was artist in mass migrating together to an unknown selling site with no traffic or advertising. We created what was a revolution in the economy, small independent bussiness owners making alternative income outside of the corporate structure.

The part I find saddening is that after all the changes Etsy made, allowing mass produced, going public, taking away tools that built community, ultimately the rise in FVF and fees on shipping, there doesn’t seem to be that same sense of community looking for a solution in mass, (at least among a lot of Etsy sellers). The attitude seems to be an “every man for themselves” attitude. Maybe we have more choices where to go, or how to sell, maybe the economy and political climate have made folks more cynical. I’m just not seeing that same spirit of solidarity that once was present among artist and makers.

I get it, it’s frustrating to spin ones wheels not making sales, worrying if ones efforts should be spent elsewhere that might get better exposure and generate customers faster. The alternatives are the soulless corporate sites of Amazon, Ebay or Etsy, which have high fees and corporate greed.

My point with this rant is that folks forget, we made Etsy. At some point the tables turned and it’s like Etsy began to own us. I can’t help but feel that it is up to us to make the next successful selling venue, the way we made Etsy. It will take numbers of artist migrating to the same place and collectively doing the work to promote, being patient but vigilant to make that happen. Personally I see great potential here on Artyah, low fees, authentic handmade, quick response from the owner and organic. These were all the things folks loved about Etsy.



Ha Ha, I was one of the artist that was on Ebay when that happened and one of the ones that moved to Etsy. 

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Ha Ha, I was one of the artist that was on Ebay when that happened and one of the ones that moved to Etsy. 


Well good to meet you! So you remember what I’m talking about.

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The part I find saddening is that after all the changes Etsy made, allowing mass produced, going public, taking away tools that built community, ultimately the rise in FVF and fees on shipping, there doesn’t seem to be that same sense of community looking for a solution in mass, (at least among a lot of Etsy sellers). The attitude seems to be an “every man for themselves” attitude. Maybe we have more choices where to go, or how to sell, maybe the economy and political climate have made folks more cynical. I’m just not seeing that same spirit of solidarity that once was present among artist and makers.


I think part of the reason is that when the big E, the place where most felt was their hope for success, began to drastically change, it splintered the sellers. Some left and found other places to sell, some stayed, some left and came back, others left later, some left and never came back, some never had to leave, some have grown to do massively well at Etsy despite, some have been back and forth, some had to shutter their doors, and on and on. It was E's self-serving alterations that split the seller base, not the sellers themselves. At least it seems that way to me. When a seller is trying to grow and survive, and certainly under increasingly severe adverse conditions, it actually is every-man-for-himself. What I need to do to pay my bills and be happy may not be what you want to do, and what you do may not suit my needs nor fulfill my desires. When E was functioning as a fully-vested handmades venue, these diverging seller needs were not very distinct.

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My point with this rant is that folks forget, we made Etsy. At some point the tables turned and it’s like Etsy began to own us. I can’t help but feel that it is up to us to make the next successful selling venue, the way we made Etsy. It will take numbers of artist migrating to the same place and collectively doing the work to promote, being patient but vigilant to make that happen. Personally I see great potential here on Artyah, low fees, authentic handmade, quick response from the owner and organic. These were all the things folks loved about Etsy.


I sincerely hope AY delivers what we all have been expecting. However, when AY is compared to how Etsy began, I don't think a complete comparison is shared. Etsy was launched by 3 partners and joined by a 4th. Three years later a high-profile, NPR executive was brought on board as COO. Etsy had 4 individual investors in the beginning years, a venture capital firm and the experienced founders of Flickr and Delicious. The name Etsy was chosen because in Italian it means oh yes, and in Latin and French it means what if. Etsy was able to please its sellers, in the first year, by adding new features and capabilities that attracted attention, traffic and exposure

I do understand why some supporters consistently compare the two sites, but let's be real. To compare E's success with AY's struggles, and to place the responsibility for making AY a success on the sellers is neither accurate nor fair. Two years after launch when Etsy was not profitable, $27 million additional dollars were channeled into the company by the original venture firm and 2 additional individual investors. Etsy had quite an auspicious beginning. Without the early financial support of a venture capital firm and 6 investors, and the collective management and experience of 6 people, handmades sellers alone would not have been able to make Etsy the success that it is today.

Source: Wikipedia

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Wikipedia is not an academic source of info, but I've been reading the site for at least 15 yrs. The easy-to-comprehend facts that I find there have been enough for me to make my points.

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I certainly do remember. I was selling paintings all over the world and suddenly after Ebay's doings I was selling nothing
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My point with this rant is that folks forget, we made Etsy. At some point the tables turned and it’s like Etsy began to own us. I can’t help but feel that it is up to us to make the next successful selling venue, the way we made Etsy. It will take numbers of artist migrating to the same place and collectively doing the work to promote, being patient but vigilant to make that happen. Personally I see great potential here on Artyah, low fees, authentic handmade, quick response from the owner and organic. These were all the things folks loved about Etsy.



This is a good point but as Artyah grows they will need more space, more programing and expenses will rise.  The larger one gets the more bandwidth they need and it starts to get expensive.  With Etsy greed started to take over and the more power they gained the more they take.  Every dog has their day.  Artfire was a fire storm a few years ago.  I didn't have to drive any traffic to my place, I could barely keep up.  Now it is as dead as the rest of them.  This morning I have 110 view on Zibbet for today so far.  But the question is always the same, where are the sales?  I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.  

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I'm enjoying reading this thread. I'm getting an education in online selling on various venues. Some sellers here have a long history and lots of experience. 
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I started selling on Ebay in 2001. in 2006 I also started on Etsy. I also sold on an art site for quite a while. Did pretty good there too. I isn't around anymore. When Artfire started I joined over there and stayed quite a while there along with staying on Etsy. Left Artfire and stayed on just Etsy yp until July 2 years ago. That is when I joined ArtYah.  I am presently back n Artfire and will stay for a while until I see how it will do. Hopefully when ArtYah gets the new site up I will be able to leave the other 2 and concentrate on ArtYah.
If my things I am making now don't start selling at least enough to pay my expenses I will have to call it quits. Then I will go stir crazy because I a not the kind to just sit around so won't have anything to do if I have to give it up 

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