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Nodsu

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Yay! I'm first! #needybaby


But - as I'm listing the items - what are the thumbrules here?
Is there a tute somewhere how to list on Artyah and what to look for, when trying to improve SEO?
(I feel like fish out of water, cause for years I knew how to list and what works for me and what is under my control ... no more!)


Talk to me, like I'm 5, please [biggrin]

Thanks!

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Just realized the whole "help" section is dedicated to these topics - who knew!
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Hello Nodsu! I was surfing to see if this topic was posted and I see it is. Recently, I had a conversation with Craig about my titles and how to write them, and he said this:
"Your titles, do they describe what you are selling? Use the word pillow if it is a pillow. ". When I asked if I should write a title like this: Pillow, Vintage Embroidery, Cottage Decor, he said I should. So as I understand what we are to do with the titles, we write them descriptively, with commas, similar to what we would do on Etsy. That's my understanding.

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Thank ypu so much!
It's actually a good point- if it's like Etsy, then I'm good to go but if not - any differences we need to know about?
And how important is subtitle (new thing for me)?
... overall, I'll just try and apply what I did on Etsy.
Thanks for the guidance!

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You're very experienced with this because I know you from Etsy and you're great! As to any "differences", I'm not sure. When I spoke with Craig, it seemed to me that the tute/video/instruction on SEO idea is still quite new. He started this category so we all can participate and help each other. I think we can adequately critique another's shop if we have enough experience with our own, as in sales, favorites, etc., so I'm waiting to see what happens. Maybe other sellers will chime in?

I've been klunking around with my shop for some time. It would be great if there was some kind of video, maybe on YouTube that would show us what to do. That might even provide some traffic to our shops, and maybe get some more sellers in the meantime.

Craig didn't say anything about importance of the subtitle, but he did say for me to use it for extra info for my listing. I'm going around with different versions to see what it will do.

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Thank you!
Sounds like describing and experimenting.
And yes - if anyone knows tips and such, please do share with us!

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On a new site I usually check the basics of its SEO by hands on approach.  I run  several searches as I would if I were a buyer and see what items I get in the results. Then I compare  the keywords I used on my search with the placement of these keywords on the search results.
If the words that I used in my search appear in the title I know I should use those in my titles too. If they are also in the description, I make a notice of that too.  If there are no keywords in the description or very few and far apart, I know that descriptions  are not very important in the search. 
If I use a string of keywords I check if the very same string appears in search results.  If the results show separate keywords but not my exact string of them I know that the keywords can be just scattered around in the title, no need to combine them into a particular meaningful string. And so on. 
This approach is very basic, but it will work until a proper SEO rules are in place. 
I am not sure if and how our listings are submitted to Google, but when we start seeing them in Google search we should re-work  out listings to comply with Google search algorithm, unless Artyah introduces its own algorithm that will take Google's demands into consideration.  Otherwise we will end up here as we are right now on Etsy with its own search that works contrary to Google's one. The demands of both are so vastly different that it is almost impossible for sellers to satisfy both simultaneously, one has to choose what route to go, get found on Etsy or on Google. 

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What you say, lellemoda, makes sense and I do fine on the ArtYah search but really interested in getting views from Google also... I've been here since the first part of June and Google is not recognizing me yet...should I be concerned or continue waiting as I am? 
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Glassladyathome,  a lot depends if ArtYah have submitted  the site to Google indexing and search. As far as I know it had.   Still, to work well with Google it   should  have a solid site map and all the stuff that goes behind the facade,  all set up and working well.  Artyah is still in its infancy, the site is being built and updated as we speak, so we  have  a wait to get the full results. 
Besides, Artyah doesn't have a lot of traffic yet and it reflects poorly on its ranking by Google, meaning  in Google search results our listings here will not appear on the very first pages, but further down. The first pages are firmly occupied by Amazon, Ebay, probably Etsy. We need traffic to show Google that this a legitimate  and a high quality site. No wonder Admin is asking us to list more items. The more items we have the higher up in search results we will get shown.  If our items attract customers and we will start having sales, that will boost the site and out listings even more. 
As always is business it's the product that sells. The more high quality product we  have listed here the better it will be for everyone involved.  if we list just "stuff" that nobody wants we are doomed.

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one thing to watch for is Google's "punishment" for "duplicate content". Importing items from Etsy, and then listing them on multiple other places without any significant changes to titles, tags, descriptions, .... will make Google think "aha - this is regurgitated duplicate copied stuff, potentially spam, I'll ignore these results in my searches"
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Yes, Karin, you are  so right!  Importing the  listings and activating them as is it's easiest way to kill them in Google search. 
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Thanks so much! That makes perfect sense and is very helpful.
So we just list and experiment for now and try to use common sense.

I really hope Google will engage soon!

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Thank you for the info and tips everyone, I'm new to ArtYah and still looking around hoping I do things right at this time [smile]
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Type "knit hat for woman" in search and see what you get. It appears that search is not selecting listings with all of the search words and placing them first. And it should look for combinations of words before looking at single words. Hat for woman (3 words) should come first, then knit hat (2 words).
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I have run the " knit hat for woman" search.  The very first listing has the words "knit hat" at the very begging of its title.  There was no other listings that would have the word "knit" on the first place in the title. 
So the search began looking for the words "knit" and "hat" as separate words, those are words used close to the beginning of the title in the next resulted listings. 

The result of the search depends on how the searched words are used in the actual listings titles. The search  cannot pick out separate words and place them higher in search results if the tiles do not have those search words close to the beginning of the title. Position of  one's keywords in the title matters. The closer to the begging of the title the keywords are placed the more weight they have.  Besides  each search system has it's own rules ( i.e. number of words" it searches. They usually search a specified number of symbols, not the whole title that may be several rows of text long.  
Google searches just a few first words, so we were always advised to have short but meaningful titles if we want to be found by Google. Etsy searches more words, so that's why Etsy titles are always to long and stuffed with keywords.  We  don't know yet how the search is set up here. We have to wait to get to know its algorithm and them we will be able to title out listings so that we can be found. But for now,I personally think that we should orient ourselves to the Google's search algorithm.


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