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hey everyone...
I have been reading the forums daily, and have been trying out how to word this correctly, please do not take offense of what I am going to try and say.
How many of you remember ETSY when it was young and trying to make it?  I do I have been there since 2009( another store than this one).
I remember when it took 5 pages to list something, you had to write in your own categories, there were only 2 maybe 3 categories to choose from, there was no shipping variations, no variations at all!! I forget how many sections you had in your shop but there were not many.
You had to do your own marketing until you sold a certain number of items then you could apply for google search, enter your authorizing number and hope google found you. We all kept at it hoping one day we would be found, some of you made it some of us are still struggling, but they were handmade, vintage and supplies only.  Asking for all these variations in the shop will not happen until Artyah can get more listing and more money to make all our requests happen.  
I guess what I am trying to say is it is hard for a fledgling company to compete with the major companies and keep everyone happy but if we keep listing it the customers will eventually come and then maybe we can put in our requests for more of the fancy things we want, right now all we need to do is keep Artyah alive and not have to go to allowing manufacturing.
Also if I remember right our listing fees are a tax write off if you sell or not. Yes, I would love the burden of having to ship 100's of items a day, wouldn't we all.
 So let's just list our little hearts out and keep Artyah a HANDMADE shop like we all want and need. 
Sorry if this makes no sense to anybody but me, but I had to get my rant out.





 


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I have my Etsy shop on vacation mode.. They are testing yet again.. All I read about on Etsy Forums is lack of sales etc. I am currently listing here as I took a break during my Mom's final days I had alot to deal with.. But I'm hard at it working on my shops again.. It's pretty easy to list here.. If I can't list variations in my case ring sizes I just add them to my listing.. no big deal..It takes alot of hard work to get a new site up and running.. I am going to use a venue called Pocketbarn and list my items there and send any potential buyers to my Artyah shop.. another way to get exposure.. I don't tweet or do instagram.. so I have Facebook and Pinterest and soon Pocketbarn to send buyers this way.. It's the best I can do at the moment..  https://www.artyah.com/seller/verdevalleybandb (Not Somewhere Beyond The Sea) Old shop name.. 😉
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hey everyone...
I have been reading the forums daily, and have been trying out how to word this correctly, please do not take offense of what I am going to try and say.
How many of you remember ETSY when it was young and trying to make it?  I do I have been there since 2009( another store than this one).
I remember when it took 5 pages to list something, you had to write in your own categories, there were only 2 maybe 3 categories to choose from, there was no shipping variations, no variations at all!! I forget how many sections you had in your shop but there were not many.
You had to do your own marketing until you sold a certain number of items then you could apply for google search, enter your authorizing number and hope google found you. We all kept at it hoping one day we would be found, some of you made it some of us are still struggling, but they were handmade, vintage and supplies only.  Asking for all these variations in the shop will not happen until Artyah can get more listing and more money to make all our requests happen.  
I guess what I am trying to say is it is hard for a fledgling company to compete with the major companies and keep everyone happy but if we keep listing it the customers will eventually come and then maybe we can put in our requests for more of the fancy things we want, right now all we need to do is keep Artyah alive and not have to go to allowing manufacturing.
Also if I remember right our listing fees are a tax write off if you sell or not. Yes, I would love the burden of having to ship 100's of items a day, wouldn't we all.
 So let's just list our little hearts out and keep Artyah a HANDMADE shop like we all want and need. 
Sorry if this makes no sense to anybody but me, but I had to get my rant out.


I have been on Etsy since 2005 and I remember all of those things.


 


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I have my Etsy shop on vacation mode.. They are testing yet again.. All I read about on Etsy Forums is lack of sales etc. I am currently listing here as I took a break during my Mom's final days I had alot to deal with.. But I'm hard at it working on my shops again.. It's pretty easy to list here.. If I can't list variations in my case ring sizes I just add them to my listing.. no big deal..It takes alot of hard work to get a new site up and running.. I am going to use a venue called Pocketbarn and list my items there and send any potential buyers to my Artyah shop.. another way to get exposure.. I don't tweet or do instagram.. so I have Facebook and Pinterest and soon Pocketbarn to send buyers this way.. It's the best I can do at the moment..  https://www.artyah.com/seller/verdevalleybandb (Not Somewhere Beyond The Sea) Old shop name.. 😉


I  will be listing items here as fast as I can

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OMG I surely hope not / That is why I came here in the first place.... no no no/
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I competed in sports for many, many years. I liked having competition and testing my abilities. I do have a competitive nature still. But when it comes to competing with Manufactured it leaves me cold. You can compete as vigorously as possible and still be on an uneven playing field. 

I have truly never minded being in competition with other quilters/sewers. As a matter of fact, my competitors kinda spurred me on to be even more creative and sew the best quality product I am capable of. That being said, it just doesn't matter that you create a quality and reasonably priced item when your competition is Manufactured. Cost-wise it is a losing battle. Mentally it can leave you drained and discouraged to the point of closing up shop and not feeling very worthy. 

I have not stated anything that the majority of us don't already know. But we also know we gotta eat and keep a roof over our heads. Bite the bullet mentality is required if you want to continue to sell and hope that a potential Buyer will roll the dice in your favor instead of the Manufactured.

I was hoping to close my Etsy shop after the revamped AY site was rolled out this Summer. But if Manufactured is going to be allowed here also, then I might as well keep my shop on Etsy too. And keep biting the bullet.

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Hi Craig,
I have had some major medical situations happen since last August and my business has been repeat customers only.  I had one organic sale during the holidays and I am lucky to have had that sale.  I guess I was waiting to see if you were going to put in the sections, so I can link the sections on my website to the sections in my ArtYah shop.  I want to advertise on Google and promote my shop through my website.  I want to reach customers from everywhere instead of just on ArtYah.  I feel the more we can bring in customers from outside of ArtYah, there is a better chance to make ArtYah a household name.

This is what Etsy has done to Sellers.  Below you will see my stats and you will notice that I really did not have a handle on how to sell until about 2011.  Just so you know, I got my sales by Keyword Search Only.  When Etsy went public, it was the beginning of the end for me.  They monkey around with the search algorithms daily and those of us who knew how to optimize our listing for the search, were shut out when we did not pay to play.  As you can see by my sales, Etsy made a few dollars off of me.  So they would rather lose money from sellers who know what they are doing by making everyone pay to be on their search engine.  If I do not make money, then they will not make money, that is the long and the short of it.
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Just so you know, I am horrible with Social Media.  I do not have a smart phone or want one.  So the only social venue I use is Facebook and I do not know how to do it well.  Although, without my experience with social media, I was doing pretty well on Etsy.  This happened without me sitting for hours trying to aggravate people to come and see my products on all the major social media venues.  

As for manufacturers, I have been dealing with this issue since 1993 when I first opened my business.  The craft show promoters allowed these vendor in their shows, because they want the money more than they cared about the show itself.  I paid $500.00 a show to be in the Country Sampler Shows.  There were vendors who had box after box of crapola from China and they did nothing to hide the fact they were selling Buy/Sell junk from China.  The promoters turned a blind eye to the fact and did not care.  I guess the Country Sampler found out the artisans cared enough to stop using their show.  So this is not something new that is happening in my world.   I hope in the next few years I will be able to retire.  Sadly to say, I feel our society has adopted the Walmart mentality.  One thing I learned early on in my business, you have to spend money to make money.  There is no getting around this fact.

I will try to list some items daily, in hopes it will help the both of us.  If you could figure out how to put the sections on your website I sure would appreciate it.  Thank You!
Sincerely,
Dona Hepfinger
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I understand the need to let manufactured goods in to your site and get more money flowing in, but frankly the reason I came here was because you didn't allow them in.  This site was for handmade, vintage and supplies.  I have only made one sale here and still continue to list and relist my items.  I remember Etsy in the beginning so I am willing to be patient for sales and the 2.0 version.  IF you do allow manufactured in because you have to, please put them in their own category and police it well or set up a mechanism in the beginning where we can help report shops in the wrong category.  Don't let Artyah become know as a site for cheap junk and reproductions.  That is a reputation you can never get rid of.
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There are so many other sites that sell cheap crap.
 If they were allowed here, I can almost bet they wouldn't want to be
in the proper category. They do that all the time on Etsy. Then there's 
the listing the same items in more than one shop owned by them and
nothing ever done about it.
Having a site that was true to handmade was the reason I came here.
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Hey Craig,

Allowing manufactured items is your decision to make.
My number one annoyance with manufactured items is when they pretend to be something they are not in an attempt to elevate it. 
Example I run into is  manufactured metal alloy rings being described to the customer as a handmade spoon ring. 

I hope that a policy change will include enforcement of accurate descriptions so the customer can easily make an informed buying decision. 

I personally would be ok with my handmade spoon ring shown next to a manufactured metal alloy ring if the manufacturer had to make it crystal clear that their ring is manufactured from metal alloy. 
They should not be allowed to use 'spoon' in the description since it was never made from a spoon and doing so is deceptive in my opinion.

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Etsy was a successful site before going public. The reason they had to move into accepting manufactured items, plus pushing more and more seller services was because they now had shareholders to satisfy. Unfortunately, greed took over. There is no reason why ArtYah cannot become as successful as the early Etsy as long as it sticks to its basic principles. I am sure that when the new Platform is launched it will be the turning point to success. 
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Sellers are a business like you are and can't just keep putting money into a platform that they are not making sales on.
It is hard to keep investing (listing) and getting very few if any sales on it.

Many have been through this with different platforms and are leary of putting in more time and money on something that may or may not pan out. 

I have been on one for almost as long as I have been on Etsy.
The reason I stay is because I paid to have  a shop for life with no listing fees.
I have tried a lot of new platforms and it was a hard decision to close them, I kept thinking what if it the platform does take off................
So it isn't like I am not willing to give a new platform a chance.  I am keeping this one open for now.

I am sure you would make more money if you let in manufactured goods but, then ArtYah would just be another platform that a lot of sellers
won't use because of it.
It is a hard decision for you and not one I would want to have to make. 

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I am sorry about the loss of your mom.  could you put your shop address in your signature so I can find you.

I don't know how this manufactured stuff will do with handmade.  they under sell handmade, and it can be cheaply made.  The biggest problem I find with all of these shop sites is they don't come up well in search engines.  If you search for anything Amazon, Ebay and Etsy are on the top. 

Lately I have had 650 views at my Zibbet shop in a week, lots of traffic. I did have one sale here in February. 

Edited to add:  I did notice that if I click on an item in my shop I have a big goose egg on my feedback rating and no stars.  The chances of a stranger leaving feedback (like for my sale) is slim.  I still wish we had a number saying xx sales, I know it helps to have a little track record instead of nothing.

Julie


I remember seeing a # of sales feature at some sites in the past. It does help a lot to counteract when buyers don't leave feedback by showing that the seller has made sales.

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I take offense at the statement that all manufactured items are made in China. I was contemplating shutting down my art shop because I could not compete with the artist who had their prints manufactured instead of printing them at home. I finally had to bite the bullet and do the same after going into the hole for several months on Etsy and Artyah.  And to my surprise I found a company in the USA that makes the prints in the USA along with Tshirts and coffee cups you can add your artwork. You can also choose cups and shirts made in USA as well.  My sales went up on Etsy, not by a lot but at least I made sales. I cannot do that on Ebay or Artyah because they do not allow syncing of the shop to the manufacturing company. 

Correction on Ebay manufactured items, They are different than what Etsy allows. People slip the true manufactured in on Etsy and other sites. The manufacturing Etsy allows is what I do, drop ship items with my art on them to my customer. It is the way of the future. I am for drop ship manufacturing.  

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I don't mind manufactured artists' work, sold by them, in a special section at all. All the cards, mugs and phone cases are a great way to put bread on the table. I think what most are opposing is the flood of mass produced items pretending to be handmade products.
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